From Isadora
...and you should be because you are racist...but we'll just consider that it is from the south and therefore normal? :(Sorry dear. But you are wrong. While the joke was in bad taste to you. I'm not a racist. Nor am I from the South (another stereotype). I'm quite the Yankee. Born and bred in the North.
Then again, I take that back, my daughter was born in Texas and she is NOT.
BTW I'm no fan of the Obama's
From 1735099:
Why couldn't your mother clean her own bloody windows? Slavery was never a feature of our history (Australia). Apparently it lingers in the home of the brave and the land of the free.Ah, how our dear friends in Australia think of us. And such language. I will now explain to 1735099 why the question was ever asked.
In the 1940's, 50's and 60's it was fashionable to hire a housekeeper to do the housework and watch the children. Today this job is done by illegal immigrants, but back then it was done by Black women. These women didn't find this work to beneath them. It was work, it paid well, and they supported their families without needed welfare.
My mother was fortunate to be able to afford to hire a housekeeper. My father made a good living and with my grandmother living with us, Mom decided that she needed a little extra help around the house.For many Black women in the 40's, 50's and 60's there were few if any employment opportunities open to them. Most women of those days were lucky to have been able to graduate High School let alone college. If they did go to college, it was usually one of the Black colleges, for the white schools (even in the North) were closed to them. Harvard, that Citadel of Liberalism only allowed 1% of their incoming students to be Black. Yale and Princeton were even worse. They didn't allow Blacks in their schools for a long time.
In Harlem there was a square in which Black women who were looking for maid jobs would go to. White women would enter the square and then start the interviewing process. My mother would always be ashamed when she entered the square, she said it reminded her of a slave market. But there she would go, on the 1st of each month, to try and find a housekeeper (not a maid the job was much more than that) that would last more than a week or two. It took her months to find the perfect woman. That is when Miss Estelle entered out lives.
During the late 60's and 70's, women like Miss Estelle were looked down upon by younger Black women. They scorned them and belittled their work. They claimed that Welfare was better than being some White woman's slave. The Miss Estelles just smiled and worked even harder.
Michelle Obama is of the generation that belittled these women. She forgets that these women worked hard at jobs that very few of us would do. Michelle Obama was of a generation that was luckier than earlier ones. She has had advantages that these women never could have dreamed of.
Michelle Obama went to the best Universities, getting a head in the line due to Affirmative Action. Due to Affirmative Action Michelle Obama was able to get a job in a law firm after law school. Due to anti-discrimination laws, Michelle Obama was able to buy a home where they wanted to live and not be relegated to the "Black Neighborhood". Due to laws passed by Congress and many state legislations, she has equal access to all the freedoms of our democracy.
But is Michelle Obama grateful for these gifts? No. She is not. She is the stereotypical angry Black woman. She doesn't want equal rights for all, but wants to change the rules. She wants reparations for slavery, a distribution of wealth from white people to black people and she wants it now.
Like her husband Barack, she sat in the pews of Trinity United Church of Christ. But unlike her husband, she was going there before she met him. She knew what they stood for, what they believed and never said anything against them. For in her heart she believed the bigoted teachings too.
A woman who says that she has never been proud of her country, and still wants her husband to be its President is not to be trusted. She should get down on her knees and thank God that she is living here and not in some Third World hellhole. It was the advantages that this nation has given to her that has brought her and her husband to the positions they now are at.
Miss Estelle died in 1991, surrounded by her family and friends. When she left us for her retirement after 15 years of employment, she was shocked to discover that my father had set up for her a pension plan. Her years of retirement were not idle. She worked with her church to help keep young people off of drugs and out of gangs. She did a few years in the Peace Corp over in Asia. And she played with her grandchildren. When she died she had lived a very rewarding life.
Michelle Obama could take a page or two from the Miss Estelles of the nation. It wasn't beneath them to go out and find a job. It wasn't beneath them to clean another person's home. And it wasn't beneath them to do any decent job to support their family. It was a matter of pride for them to contribute. Oh and yes, Miss Estelle did do windows!
9 comments:
A beautiful story and a point well taken. God bless Miss Estelle!
I got the joke. Should've commented yesterday. Sorry.
But if you consider what you did as an experiment, well, then you succeeded in flushing out the lack of humor and overwhelming stench of political correctness that pervades this election and our country.
BTW: I'm from the south. Spent about 20 years away, mostly in NYC and Boston, but a bit in Philly.
And, you bet, I heard about how easily regional racisim there issued toward Southerners.
But, then, I've found regional racism in all of America.
But I've always been amused by how racists outside of the South so quickly, so ignorantly, point to it as the source of racism in America.
You can tell they've never lived in cities, especially ones with strong ethnic enclaves.
Or ever listened to themselves or their friends.
A great social experiment! have you heard back yet from your two commenters?
I have a few questions about your very heartfelt but also misguided post.
1. Why is it that in your post you ignored the very racism that created a situation in which black women had the limited employment options that you described.
2. Why do you sound shocked or disturbed that a generation of black women would be uncomfortable being employed in mass by white people for domestic labor? Can you not see how this would stir up negative emotions?
3. How is it that you came to connect Michelle Obama to the history of which you speak?
4. What caused you to believe that the "joke" you told earlier was appropriate?
5. If you have so much concern for black women, why do you choose to distort Mrs. Obama's character and perpetuate the negative and untrue stereotypes of strong, successful black women? (My mother is a college educated, professional black women who openly criticizes the country she loves. She's not evil, she's not anti-American, and she doesn't look down on past generations.)
6. Are you suggesting that it's a bad thing that black women in the 60s and 70s were not satisfied being domestic servants for white people? Where they not supposed to seek the same economic opportunities that whites had?
I guess what I am asking is, what, beyond telling a story of your childhood, is the point of your post? What message are you trying to send?
Kevin
Was it my fault or the fault of my parents that racism existed in America? No. And they did work to change it. That is more than many did at the time.
Instead of condemning these women for working, they should have been grateful that these women chose to work a job, any job, instead of living on welfare or turning to prostitution.
Michelle has the attitude of those angry Black women. Cannot see where she came from without the rose-colored glasses of racism on her.
Yes. Why not? That was the experiment. Don't you see? When a white person would make that remark it is automatically racist. But what about the remarks of the same nature black men and women do towards whites, Hispanics, Jews, etc.. Is that not racism?
Any person regardless of race or religion who says that they have never been proud of their country and yet is still living in that same nation, is an and should be an object of scorn. By her own words and actions she is a racist.
My message was very clear. When crying out about the past, remember those who strove a bit, doing jobs that you today would consider beneath your dignity, and in the process changing the world a little bit at the time. You would probably not take such a job, I would if I had to.
Our Miss Estelles were the backbone of the Black community. They and the work they did should not be forgotten just because they were servants.
Jungle Mom
Not yet. But don't expect to.
I hope you will take the time to read this to the end.
No one said that it was your our your parents' fault that racism exist in America. However, when any of us ignores racism, past or present, we are compliant in perpetuating it. I think we are all guilty of that. That doesn't make us racist, that makes us human.
As far as being grateful for the sacrifices of past generations, I certainly agree with you on that. People who look down on the sacrifices others have made for them are just wrong. However, it is important not to confuse looking down on our ancestors with hoping to achieve and take advantage of equal economic opportunities. It's just not right for black women to be forced into domestic service because other avenues have been closed to those of their race and gender. So, I think there are two attitudes that you have kind of mushed together – one that is very condescending toward older generations, and one that is just fighting for equality.
Michelle has the attitude of what angry black women? And how is this attitude manifested? And shouldn't the real question be: Don't they have a right to be angry? If you are discriminated against, if you feel belittled by the society in which you live, if you feel your options are limited and your voice is muted, isn't anger a reasonable human response?
This goes to the whole question of being “proud” of one's country. By your comments, am I to assume that many, maybe even most, African Americans are to be an object of scorn? Because lots of us have felt the same way. It's not that we hate our country. It's just that looking back over all the atrocities committed on our own people (not to mention on others) doesn't provide us much to be proud of. It's hard for us to be proud of our founding fathers when they owned our ancestors. It's hard of us to be proud of Abraham Lincoln when he advocated relocating blacks to Africa. It's hard for us to be proud of the way that the United States fought for the world's freedom in World War II when we fought in segregated armies, and when our black soldiers returned to a segregated country that treated them more like monkeys than like men. It's hard for us to be proud of a country that even in the 21st century unjustly scrubs black an brown names from voter rolls and has a justice department that still doesn't take violations of civil rights seriously. Asking black people to be proud of America is like asking a smallish kid to be proud of the school bully. We don't hate our country, we're just realistic about it's shortcomings and we love this nation enough to fix them. That's not deserving of scorn; that's true patriotism.
But, then again, this nation has never been comfortable with blacks speaking truth to power.
I never said you joke was racist, but I will now say that it was racially insensitive. That's why I asked you what the point of it was, for greater clarification.
Question: How do you define racism? How do the comments of Michelle Obama fit into that definition?
When I replied to your post, I did so hoping to offer a contrasting point of view in I saw as a refreshingly serious and mature conversation. That was not reflected in your response to me. You said: “You would probably not take such a job, I would if I had to.” What is that intended to mean? You don't know me, how can you make such an assumption. You don't know what I do for a living. I might be a janitor, for all you know. When you make the unsubstantiated claims about the snobbish or condescending nature of myself or Michelle Obama, you only make yourself look worse. Both me and Michelle come from families with hard-working parents who made sacrifices and put themselves through more hell than the had to so that their children could be successful. They put their time, their bodies, and their personal peace on the line for us. My grandparents were the same way. They didn't have the academic or employment opportunities that their white contemporaries had. Yet, they are responsible for who I am today, including the ideas I have expressed here. I will never be ashamed of them. Nothing that my parents or grandparents have done will ever be beneath me. The hard work and sacrifices that they have made in the face of racism are a model to me, not an embarrassment.
So be for you judge Michelle Obama, myself, or the MILLIONS of African Americans who share our experiences, you should take a closer look at our lives, our beliefs, and actually listen to what we have to say instead of buying into the stereotypes that have been constructed around any black who dares not to “stay in their place.”
Miss Estelles were the backbone of the black community. We haven't forgotten them. We're living the lessons they taught us.
Great post, Kate. This is a subject that needs to be raised. When you've got people like Obama's Pastor Jeremiah making outrageous comments about white people and Michelle Obama showing her own biases, it's time to admit that if there is racism on the white side, there is most certainly plenty on the black side too.
Kevin Lockett, while I understand the frustrations of black women who felt that working as domestic help was the best they would ever do, I think that we've moved so far beyond that it's not funny. Oprah is known as the most powerful woman in America and certainly one of the richest and she went through university back in the 70s. It's time to move on and not harbor grudges or prejudices on either side.
By the way, Kate, I hope you don't think all Australians think like the one who was so rude to you. We have our Left and we have our Right here in Australia...and she was just a rude example of our Left.
Aurora, I have three questions for you:
1. If we moved past all of that, why are we still having this discussion? Why was the joke posted? What exactly do you mean by "all that"?
2. How does Oprah's success (which comes in spite of much racism and sexism against her and which is yet to be duplicated by any other black female) show a lack of barriers for all black people? One person or a few people or many people being able to overcome hate doesn't mean that hate no longer exists.
3. What biases has Michelle Obama shown?
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