Thursday, December 10, 2009

First They Came For My Charmin

While the Moonbats on the left will not support the War on Terror, The War in Iraq, The War in Afghanistan, they do support whole heartily the War On Toilet Paper.

Yes they are back!  This time they are blaming Global Warming on Soft Toilet Paper.
"They'll take my Ultra Soft Charmin only when they pry it from my cold, dead, aloe-smelling hands."

Highly doubtful it will come to that. Please, sit.

We're talking about toilet paper. Charlton Heston's famous vow was of guns.

The issue over tissue in the bathroom — the really super-soft stuff — is more like the fight about the big SUVs loved by many Americans.

Anti-green, according to environmentalists. Politically incorrect. Why should Americans use luxurious toilet paper made from old-growth trees when much of the world gets by with a far more basic and often recycled product?

Why should we flush redwoods, so to speak?
Why not? Why should we suffer like the idiots in Europe, South America, and Asia.  Perhaps they should insist on soft, pillowy toilet paper too.
So Greenpeace, the Natural Resources Defense Council and other environmental groups have pushed manufacturers such as Kimberly-Clark (Cottonelle) and Procter & Gamble (Charmin) to stop using wood from virgin forests to make tissue products.

Mountains of paper are dumped every day into recycling bins in homes, offices, factories and schools. Use that to make toilet paper, the activists said.

Time to roll off the big number: If each American family would buy one recycled roll just one time, it would save 400,000 trees, allegedly.

The problem, though, is that each time paper is shredded during the recycling process, its fibers get shorter. The shorter the fiber, the less soft the tissue. And Americans, though indicating in surveys that they embraced green initiatives, also said they don't want to sacrifice comfort.

"The truth is that other parts of the world are further along in using recycled content," said Kay Jackson, spokeswoman for Kimberly-Clark. "The American consumer still wants softness, and they are speaking with their pocketbooks."

Pulling back in a competitive market is asking a lot, manufacturers said. They also point out that only 5 percent of forest-industry production goes toward toilet paper.

Darby Hoover, a senior resource specialist with the Natural Resources Defense Council, understands the pressure of customer demand but wonders: Do we really need toilet paper to be as soft as it can be, or do we need it just soft enough?

Environmentalists said other countries — particularly in South America, Africa and Asia — seem to be OK with "soft enough."

They know no better!
Greenpeace has come up with a "toilet paper guide," which looks at recycled content and the use of chlorine bleaches.

The actual toilet paper Greenpeace now suggests.
"When you're doing your grocery shopping or just stopping by the corner store to grab a roll of toilet paper, make an informed decision as both a consumer and someone concerned about the world's ancient forests," the guide advises.

Probably no surprise that brands with names such as Green Forest, 365, Earth Friendly, Natural Value and Seventh Generation scored the highest on the Greenpeace scale.

Bringing up the rear: Charmin, Cottonelle, Angel Soft and, of course, Quilted Northern, which sounds thick enough to keep someone warm on a cold night in Minnesota.

Some manufacturers said they were taking steps to become more environmentally friendly. More wood is from sustainable forests, and they are trying to up their recycled content.

Critics, though, such as Natural Resources Defense Council senior scientist Allen Hershkowitz, point out that many of the reforms apply only to the professional market — schools, businesses, theaters, stadiums and restaurants.

Home is another tissue. There, many Americans insist on the pillowy soft of virgin fibers.

Lisa Jester at P&G said the company was committed to the environment and took seriously its responsibility to help ensure sustainability of the world's forest resources.

"All the fiber we use comes from sources that practice sustainable forestry," she said. "That means that the trees are regrown or replanted and the soil, water and biodiversity are protected."

Environmentalists said old trees were being cut down when recycling alternatives exist. And it's not just about trees, they said. It's about carbon dioxide and ecosystems necessary to wildlife.

"The large old trees are the ones that do the most good," said Bill Grotts, head of the Heartland Tree Alliance, which is part of Kansas City's Bridging the Gap.

"They absorb the most water because they have more leaf area and provide the most cooling effect."

To him and others, that's the bottom line.
I have done some checking and although the old growth forests do absorb a great amount of CO2, so does any mature forest.  It is not just the old growth trees that are great at absorption.  There is an idea of using artificially constructed trees to soak up CO2 at higher rates than old growth forests.

The Shape Of Trees To Come!

I just cannot see anyone writing beautiful poetry about that?  Just imagine what it could be like:

I think I shall never see a poem as lovely as the steel, wire, and plastic CO2 collector.

Just doesn't do it for me

And the suggestion that David gave me when I wrote The War On Toilet Paper is typical of idiot Moonbat thinking:
Save Trees? Save money and the Earth and be clean at the same time! Get serious and add Bathroom Bidet Sprayers to all your bathrooms. I think Dr. Oz on Oprah said it best: "if you had pee or poop on your hand, you wouldn't wipe it off with paper, would you? You'd wash it off” Available at with these you won't even need toilet paper any more, just a towel to dry off!
Don’t worry, you can still leave some out for guests and can even make it the soft stuff without felling guilty. It's cheap and can be installed without a plumber; and runs off the same water line to your toilet. You'll probably pay for it in a few months of toilet paper savings. And after using one of these you won't know how you lasted all those years with wadded up handfuls of toilet paper. Now we're talking green and helping the environment without any pain.
Funny how men decide how women should use the toilet.  Unlike men, women do not urinate standing up.  So we would be either walking around with wet undies or drying ourselves with towels.  Thus defeating the purpose of why toilet paper is not good for the enviroment.

It is strange that Dr. Oz would be defending the use of the bidet only.  And strange that the bidet is the only approved method in the Islamic world.  And further strange that Dr. Oz is a Muslim.  Just a bit strange isn't it.

Here is some information that I guess Dr. Oz didn't learn at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.  Men urinate standing up.  They can sit down, but in general they urinate standing.  No real usage of toilet paper.  Women urinate sitting or squatting down.  For a woman to urinate standing up, she would need more than a bidet, she would need a shower.

Cloth towels are unsanitary at best.  Can you imagine the germs living on those things?  And the expense of washing them?  I wonder if David or Dr. Oz ever tried to get blood out of a towel.

I find these idiots at the extreme end of the enviromental movement.  I can say this with extreme pleasure due to the orders my oldest child gave me concerning the type of toilet paper that is allowed in the house:

"At least 2-ply and ultra-soft!"

This from my environmental, ultra-liberal daughter who yelled when I brought home the cheap, 1-ply stuff.

She knows what she wants, and to hell with Greenpeace!

Safe For All Tokhes!


David said...

David here, as much as I would love to call you a few inane names I will refrain and stick to the subject. First of all I do not say that people should not use toilet paper. In fact I tell them they can use the soft stuff because they won't need much of it and won't have to feel guilty. If you can't imagine that it would take less toilet paper to wipe off a few drops of water compared to cleaning up after a good dump well...that's your problem. You say: "For a woman to urinate standing up, she would need more than a bidet, she would need a shower". I am talking about a hand bidet sprayer which in essence is a hand shower so thank you for advocating it. You then say: "Cloth towels are unsanitary at best. Can you imagine the germs living on those things? I wonder if David or Dr. Oz ever tried to get blood out of a towel". So you are telling me that if I use soap and water my towel is unsanitary? What about your hands after you wiped your butt? Where do you dry them? Oh, thats's different I guess? The simple fact is you have never used a bidet sprayer and you don't know what you're talking about. You use name calling and sloppy so-called analysis and even religion bashing to attack something that is new to you. Why are you so easily threatened by something that not only works better, it can save people money at a time when they could really use it? One last statement from you: "Why should we suffer like the idiots in Europe, South America, and Asia. Perhaps they should insist on soft, pillowy toilet paper too". Where to start with that one? Ok, idiots in Asia, like the ones in Japan who have toilets that wash you with warm water and dry you after? Or the ones in Thailand and Indonesia that have hand bidet sprayers and are cleaner than you will ever be? I would say who the obvious idiot is here but I promised not to call you names.

Findalis said...

First of all, the bidet (either hand held or the toilet kind) doesn't save money in the long run. In fact is more expensive. The cost for water in many places has shot up (so did the cost of electricity). Both needed for washing out the towels you ask people to use instead.

On the subject of towels, do you propose using a fresh clean one each time, a personal towel (doesn't really work in large families [more than 1 child]), or a common shared towel?

Most people can't afford a fresh towel each time they go (when I was pregnant I went over 15 times a day which in normal for pregnant women), and individual towels seem never to stay individual in families, and I won't even start on the unsanitary conditions of a community towel (UTI comes to mind).

Yes Dr Oz's faith comes to play in this when he is promoting as a healthy alternative a so-called "safe" answer to TP. So great that you have never witnessed what it is like to use one in Saudi for example. You might want to visit Sabra and ask her how it wonderful it is to use a public bathroom that the toilet is a whole in the floor and a handheld bidet for TP.

I realize you are in the business to sell bidets, but I am not. And I know that my tokhes is not going to be dripping wet after I do my business.


David said...

Heavy sigh......Assertions with no facts to back them up, as usual. Unless you never want to wash after using the toilet(in which case enjoy being dirty, your privilege) a hand held bidet sprayer is the most efficient way of accomplishing this and there is no electricity used. You can STILL use toilet paper(if you don't want to use a towel) you just don't need as much and you can use the softest stuff out there and you WOULD save money but hey if you've got money to burn and don't like washing stick with your old habits. I don't like giving up mine either. Cheers, David